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what is up everybody welcome back to

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disclosure teams youtube channel i'm

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really excited about this one this is an

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interview with my friend and colleague

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at uap media uk mr adam goldsack so

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without further ado let's bring adam in

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hello are you mate

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i'm good thank you uh nice to see you

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yeah you too man thank you so much for

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agreeing to do this um i think it's

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gonna be so professional just like

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listening to that interview there it's

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brilliant

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ah thank you man i still struggle to be

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honest

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i still struggle with these things i'm

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not gonna lie so uh

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yeah at least i smoke screened you there

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made it pretend like i'm being

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professional

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um so listen like i said thank you so

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much for doing this you've been a really

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important part of

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this subject for some time now and the

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work you do with uap media uk is

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incredible the articles you write so

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we'll we'll talk about that a little bit

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during the interview but

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i think initially if you could just give

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us a little bit of a background on who

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you are what you do and

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that kind of thing yeah sure yeah i mean

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obviously my name's adam hello uh

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so my background um

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so i've worked the last seven years in

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your rehabilitation

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i've got degrees in criminology

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psychology uh diplomas in psychology

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i've done a masters in psychology

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i'm currently at uni with work doing

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an ort degree so that's taken up a long

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time in the last few months that's why

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you've not probably seen as much of me

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so yeah obviously i brought for uap

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info in 2018

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then the unidentified

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and most recently ufp media uh obviously

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with yourself yeah so

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yeah

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that's cool man

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educated i like it

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yeah so tell us what got you into ufos

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then where did it first kind of become

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something in your life where you were

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like you know i really want to learn

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about this and be involved in it

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that holy fudge moment you mean yeah

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yeah i'm trying not to swear um

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it was

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2013 sits and hearing on disclosure i

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don't know if you've probably seen now

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obviously oh yeah yeah yeah um and it

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for me it was the uh quote by paul

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hellyer uh he said ufos are as real as

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the airplanes overhead as soon as he had

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said that i mean something inside me

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oh okay and it was like a switch went on

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i thought okay i should be paying

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attention to this

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um so watch the citizen hearing i

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thought it was very

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credible i thought there was a few

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elements that could have probably left

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out um and focus more on the case

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reports but but yeah overall it was it

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was so impressive that it got me

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researching got me looking into the

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subject um and over the next few years

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i did behind the scenes get into uh ufos

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2015 after the whole roswell slide

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and that put me off for whatever it was

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a year or so uh and then i most recently

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uh i'll see what tonned along wikileaks

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and then ttsa coming along and that's

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what really spurred me into this recent

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yeah i know totally i think that's the

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case with a lot of people isn't it with

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the the 2017 stuff and that's kind of

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where what i wanted to talk on next is

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do you remember where you were when you

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first saw that headline and stuff like

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that and how you felt

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yeah so i mean the headline it's i

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before i saw the new york times one um

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um and i remember bathing my son and i

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just got this thing on my phone and i

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looked i was like oh this is such a bad

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timing because i'm in the middle of

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doing this um but i quickly managed to

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have a look at the video sounds like

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okay they're fairly impressive the two

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um but yeah i remember i remember that

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um but before that there was the ttsa

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2017. that's right and i remember being

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again my phone buzzer looked it was

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tommed along on facebook live stream i

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think it was and i was watching that and

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they only had like 16 000 views and i

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how is this only got that amount of

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views it's crazy i thought it would be

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like a lot more

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on the team i didn't recognize any of

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the others and then it was the same sort

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when mr elizondor got up on stage and he

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said yeah the phenomenon is indeed real

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i'm like oh okay

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that was pretty amazing i remember that

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let's talk about ufo twitter or twitter

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you talk about how that came about and

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and you know how we got to kind of where

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we are now with it

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the whole thing started because of what

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spurred a lot of people into the subject

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strength to the strength and it wasn't

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uh very credible research activism and

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popular you can't hold on to the

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yeah how do you remember where were you

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yeah my so my daughter was born on the

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of nappy change or something i can't

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article over and over looking at all the

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the talk online about it the thing is as

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anomalous so did you just think oh it's

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definitely anomalous but that's me as

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someone who doesn't know how to

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the voices that really sold me on it

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disc upside down but besides that you

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the additional data for me i think which

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conversations and the back and forth

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to call them and then people saying you

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know it is definitely something

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anomalous that that will continue i

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any more data possibly

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so frustrating is so frustrating um and

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it makes you wonder

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like with those videos the 30 seconds a

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it makes you wonder is there anything

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more to those videos those videos just

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didn't start there and then there

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there's more which happened after which

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we know about and there's more which

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why can't we not put pressure on the

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right areas to have those videos

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released rather than debating and

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counter debating over and over what's in

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that 30 seconds why can't we just focus

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on let's get these videos let's get the

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rest of them

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so was it was that um all part of this

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initiative of the ufo twitter stuff is

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that what kind of made you kind of get

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campaign or tell us about all that

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because that's amazing yeah absolutely i

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mean for me in the year 2018

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i'd looked at everything i'd gone

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through skinwalker nuclear weapons uh

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the whole associated phenomenon um and i

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try to understand and come to a

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conclusion on the origin

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and the at the end of that i've speak to

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some people um

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my conclusion was i don't have a

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conclusion this it's so complex that

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we don't have the data basically

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and what we need to do is we need to

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get that transparency get the

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accountability from government get the

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data out there so we can at last start

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looking with a full palette basically

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um

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and without that data we're just stuck

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we are stuck we're just going to spin

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our wheels and go round and round um

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even though there is some decent data

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out there it's it's still not verified

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uh in a scientific

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government investigations we need

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scientific process to be applied to

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european data basically and at the

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moment it's not happening

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so at the end of 2018 i think in my own

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head i've made a decision i think wait i

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can't continue to research this because

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i'm stuck i can't go any further no

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matter no matter which direction you go

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you're going to come to a blockade

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um so in my own head i thought well okay

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i'll i'll see if we can get

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the uk government to start taking

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accountability for uap um yeah good luck

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to us

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and

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to do that we need the americans there's

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there's no question of that we need the

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american government to take

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accountability and transparency and be

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open with their own people and that is

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going to in turn put pressure on our

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government um with enough pressure that

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should start making a difference um

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as you know those things in the pipeline

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but

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um at the end of 2018 as to why i wanted

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to go into activism um and it was early

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on in 2019

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that i think we'd come up with end uap

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secrecy campaign um dan is a big part of

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that you know he pushed that along in

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the early days

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um and we came up with a formula which

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sidestepped

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ufo activism which i'm not i'm not

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criticizing the efforts that i've gone

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before

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incredible efforts um but at the end of

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the day it needed to change

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if we were to seriously get the

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government to

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push forward we needed something else we

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needed a different methodology we needed

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new terminology we needed to

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approach

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activism from the mindset of the general

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public

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uh which was very skeptical on on

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european ufos so we had to get as sad as

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it is to say we had to get rid of crop

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circles and

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abductions and everything else that's a

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bit woo i guess

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i'm not discounting those i think there

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might be something to those but in terms

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of activism we need to focus we need to

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really get it down to the military cases

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something that journalists can have a

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conversation with and everyday people

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can come on board with and start having

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a conversation themselves

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uh so that that's the thinking behind it

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yeah and it makes the absolute success

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yeah it did

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i think that kind of mirrors

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or what we're seeing more in the last

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well 2021 with the

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the preliminary assessment from

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odni the report that was focused you

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know on

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primarily military cases and i know it

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caused there was a lot of conversation

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about

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you know private individuals who have

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had experiences um feeling a bit left

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out and i mean i totally understood that

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but i think the conversation has to

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start somewhere yeah and i feel that in

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order to engage

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whether it be the media or governments

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and stuff you have to start with

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something that is less taboo

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so yeah i hope people still understand

389
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that

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point before he said look we've got

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uh they've got all of this ufology which

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has been ignored and i get that and at

393
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the end of the day i agree i think that

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should be investigated but like you said

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we need to put

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to the hospital the cart is our

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expression where you have things in

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process so we can get the general public

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to a point where they can start looking

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at this highly complex situation with

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abductions and experiences and go oh

402
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actually there's something potentially

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to it it's potentially credible rather

404
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than for it to do at the moment it'd be

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stigmatized and they'd get laughed at

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and they'd get pushed one side

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so it needs to come but not quite yet

408
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that's a yeah totally and one thing i

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found quite

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quite revealing was when skinwalkers at

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the pentagon came out towards the end of

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last year and kind of went into a bit

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more detail about orsap and uh and bass

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and

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the things that were studied at

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skinwalker ranch before you know um

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yeah brandon fugle and all that and that

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awesome also looked into individual

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cases

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experiences and that's but yeah how do

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you feel knowing that all that data is

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locked away in bigelow somewhere you

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know has it the big databases that

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yeah the

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the researcher in me wants that data i

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wanted to be out

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but then the activist in me is like well

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we need to put it to one side at the

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moment until we get everybody on board

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that there is something there and once

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we get that point then we can start

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opening up asap and what they've got

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um i think

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one of the interesting things is how it

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affects people especially the complexity

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of potential for experiences and

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abductions and everything else that's a

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bit

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uh scary i guess um if you look at a

440
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certain i won't name his name look at a

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certain person who is very much a part

442
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of uap in the early years did very good

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work reached a lot of different people

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and then

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when the whole awesome sort of thing

446
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came out it kind of like had a bit of a

447
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meltdown

448
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um and start debunking everything so you

449
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have to take that person and other

450
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people like that and say

451
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what would happen if we put that on a

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macro scale is that what we might be

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looking at

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if

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we went ahead straight away and said oh

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sap here we go

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the government officials came out said

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look skin walkers this is that how would

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that

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affect people how would they react to

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that and i think there's a potential

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that it could go very negatively

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so again i think that's why we should

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have a process i think that's why we

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need to step by step get to that point

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where we can openly say there's

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something more complex here and people

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don't freak out

469
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yeah i definitely completely agree and i

470
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was sort of saying a minute ago about

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how it taken in steps and

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i guess 2020

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i think was a little bit quiet we had a

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few announcements like um the navy

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announcing that they had a reporting

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system i think it was for their pilots

477
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and stuff i think that was 2020 was it

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that was 2019.

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so yeah 2020 for me i can't think of

480
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myself as well

481
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i think corvids unfortunately took place

482
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in 2020 and i think that was that got

483
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the headlights uh headlines so

484
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it kind of ruined everything else in

485
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terms of uap but yeah

486
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i can't think of anything specifically

487
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which was massive in 2020

488
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um 2019 obviously we had the new york

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sorry

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new york times

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article i was out in may we had

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unidentified uh we had

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pilots graves a coin come out with their

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testimony which was a big deal yeah

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um

496
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well that's for 2020 yeah i'm sure

497
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,519
there's probably loads that were just

498
00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:03,360
there's probably things there's just not

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that standout moment that we seem to

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have had over in every other year i mean

501
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i suppose at the end of 2020 the

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announcement of the ndaa for 2021 with

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the 180-day covid relief about the

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the preliminary assessment i suppose

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that announcement was

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i mean i know for the first part of 2021

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the conversation was could we possibly

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get disclosure in in june of 2021 which

509
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obviously we didn't get

510
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how did you feel that time was in those

511
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six months leading up to the report

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um

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i

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that

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uh lou went on a lot of podcasts and he

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was

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expectations um i think a lot of people

518
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i guess myself included at one point was

519
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very much like this could be it this

520
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could be our leading on to event

521
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disclosure type thing but then

522
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the other part was thinking well

523
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the whole name of the report at the end

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of the day was to create provide uh

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legislation

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for congress to take something further

527
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and build what the world at the moment

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like the office

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it gives them uh a reason to do what

530
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they've done

531
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um and without the report we've got

532
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nothing we had no data we had nothing to

533
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say well actually there is something

534
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there 143

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cases of 144 are unidentified by the

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most sophisticated defense technology in

537
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the world that in itself is that there's

538
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a reason to to go ahead and get this

539
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office in place

540
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:36,480
and i know it was yeah it was

541
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disappointing when the new york times

542
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article came out in i think it was early

543
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summer

544
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uh and i think the headline was

545
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something crazy like

546
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:47,840
no evidence found extraterrestrials and

547
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like

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00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:51,200
okay great and that's

549
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obsessed with the extraterrestrials

550
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:55,120
straight away um it's it's a phenomenon

551
00:19:00,710 --> 00:18:57,440
just go from there um but it was very

552
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,720
eager to to dismiss it and that's how i

553
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:02,400
felt from that i think that didn't help

554
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:03,600
that article

555
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,080
yeah um so and i think after the report

556
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itself there was a bit of a lull i

557
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:09,760
thought there was a little bit of right

558
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,080
oh and everyone was a bit deflated and

559
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even though it worked and what it needed

560
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:15,600
to do was done

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i don't know how you felt but i just

562
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:19,039
followed it so i mean i wish there was a

563
00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:20,559
bit more to it we could have got our

564
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,679
teeth into

565
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:23,280
yeah definitely i think that that

566
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:25,200
initial six month excitement had built a

567
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:27,039
lot of people up for something a bit

568
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:28,000
more

569
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:29,760
so naturally

570
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,440
after a day or two

571
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:33,280
it felt like there was nothing but i

572
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:35,360
think i did find a month or two later

573
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,919
looking back again at the the assessment

574
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,600
there were little tidbits you could pick

575
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:41,600
from it that were like actually it is

576
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:43,760
giving us something and it gives us

577
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,200
something to look forward to possibly

578
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,520
like so with congress now being aware we

579
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:49,120
know that the committees a lot of the

580
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:50,799
committees have had

581
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:53,200
classified briefings and so yeah then

582
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:54,640
they're not going to do nothing with

583
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,200
that so we have to abide our time

584
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:58,960
yeah they're legally bound to do

585
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,200
something now and because of that report

586
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:03,200
that they have got no choice they have

587
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,640
to even if they didn't want to

588
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:06,080
especially the defense oversight

589
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:07,760
committees that have to do something

590
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,640
yeah um and obviously it just took time

591
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:12,320
and it wasn't until

592
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:15,440
what was it november 2021

593
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:17,200
that we started hearing about gila brand

594
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:18,080
and

595
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,600
i think it was around that time anyways

596
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,360
so we've gone pretty much a good six

597
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,520
seven months with nothing substantial

598
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:25,120
from the report

599
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:26,400
uh actually do you know what i think it

600
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,120
was september because i think

601
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,840
yeah the first

602
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:33,600
i think it was the initial announcement

603
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,600
of the ndaa when lou was in san marino

604
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:39,200
uh and he sat down and did the interview

605
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:40,720
with max moscow

606
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,159
they read it out for the first time

607
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,240
they'd literally seen it 10 minutes

608
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,400
before they went online yeah yeah so

609
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,400
yeah that's that's how i remember that

610
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,640
which but then we saw so many iterations

611
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:52,799
of it going through right through till

612
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,480
you know when it finally got to to the

613
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,159
house and the senate

614
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:58,720
yeah it was uh that was crazy

615
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:01,360
and we saw aoi msg getting in the fold

616
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:02,720
and trying to

617
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:05,520
you know yeah i mean

618
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:06,960
i still don't know what to make of that

619
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,000
to be honest um i don't know how that's

620
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:12,320
quite gonna operate um because obviously

621
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,039
you're gonna have the what was astral uh

622
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:17,280
the office should we call it um yeah and

623
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:20,559
you've got this group within a or imsg

624
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:21,360
is it

625
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,679
so how can the two move forward one is

626
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:25,200
saying we're going to be as transparent

627
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,159
as possible we're going to go through

628
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:28,080
congress who have to then not see really

629
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,679
back the public with unclassified

630
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:31,360
reports and they've got this other

631
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,000
program within the pentagon um and

632
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,840
that's like no we're not going to give

633
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:37,120
you anything do i mean we're going to

634
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,320
take care of this don't worry about it

635
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,400
it's all chinese balloons and

636
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,080
whatever in drawings

637
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,000
so how's that going to work how do you

638
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,960
think it's going to work well aim sg

639
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:48,080
i don't see how it's going to work

640
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,360
because it's not an operational

641
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,440
department apparently so you know so lou

642
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,840
says it's it doesn't have the manpower

643
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:55,440
it doesn't have the people looking into

644
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,039
it it's kind of like just going to sit

645
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:59,200
on data and not release it

646
00:22:03,350 --> 00:22:02,320
and kind of throw us back into secrecy

647
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,360
almost

648
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,360
pretty much it was when kirby was having

649
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,840
that press conference a few months ago

650
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:09,600
and his torn and his mannerisms were

651
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,559
very much

652
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,320
dismissive and yeah we're not going to

653
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,320
give you anything but credit to the

654
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,320
journalist at the time is it travis

655
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:18,240
trenton it is

656
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,000
yeah and he

657
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,840
my understanding is that he knows a lot

658
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,200
more than he's letting on and he really

659
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,200
grilled him which was good to see it was

660
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:27,360
good to see uh kirby square

661
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,320
no

662
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,400
i'm sure he's lovely but i'm sorry but

663
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,760
when it comes to

664
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,840
european transparency uh

665
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:35,520
you know i'll touch on the table

666
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,200
yeah absolutely now also in 2021 before

667
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,520
the preliminary assessment we had those

668
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:43,200
releases from jeremy corbell what were

669
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,640
your thoughts on on when that was

670
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:46,400
happening and and did you feel it was

671
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:49,280
adding something to the to the subject

672
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,400
with the omaha sphere and the triangle

673
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,640
yeah um yeah so

674
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,240
i wasn't quite sure

675
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,159
at the time um obviously you've always

676
00:23:02,630 --> 00:22:59,840
got to consider whether

677
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:02,640
there's a bit disinformation um but

678
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:04,159
personally i don't think it was i think

679
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,360
the people who

680
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:07,679
were contacting jeremy are legit i think

681
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:08,559
that

682
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,880
legitimate as was verified in the end um

683
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,039
so it was difficult at the time it drew

684
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,600
a lot of issues just to the fact that

685
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,440
you had short videos

686
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,520
there's no supporting data

687
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,840
and that left a gray area for

688
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,080
the bunkers to step in and try and

689
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,760
excuse me manipulate the data into a

690
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,120
conclusive

691
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,360
narrative which pretty much didn't exist

692
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,559
i mean at the end of the day we can't

693
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:35,600
say

694
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,559
what the omaha sphere was or the

695
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:41,120
pyramid we don't know we need more data

696
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:42,000
um

697
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,760
would i say we just we need more data we

698
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,360
can't go from here and say it's

699
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,919
something anomalous without

700
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,679
what the people there thought what

701
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:51,919
theirs their perceptions the military

702
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,400
um we need the government to come out

703
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,320
and be transparent on what those things

704
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,320
were and so again it goes back to what

705
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,840
we were saying earlier rather than just

706
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:01,120
going round and round and round and

707
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,400
counting the bear between skeptic and

708
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:04,080
believer

709
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,440
we need the government to come out and

710
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:07,600
and take responsibility for this

711
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,480
yeah

712
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,960
but i always i don't know my feeling is

713
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:11,760
that

714
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,520
with frustration within the system

715
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:20,240
um i think they happen because

716
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:21,200
um

717
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,880
something behind the scenes isn't quite

718
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,480
going to plan

719
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,159
and then people step in

720
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,960
um it can almost be used in strategy um

721
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,320
a case of right well if you're going to

722
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,559
go down that road we've got all of this

723
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,120
information he's a tidbit do you really

724
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,880
want to continue going down that road

725
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:38,080
and i think that's pretty much what

726
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:39,120
happened

727
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,159
yeah it makes sense definitely

728
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,240
yeah interesting strategy i mean we only

729
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,559
know a fraction of of what's going on

730
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,320
behind the scenes and there's i'm sure

731
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:49,760
there's people well we know these people

732
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,559
now

733
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,480
still trying to keep this under wraps

734
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:54,559
without going into their names

735
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,799
no absolutely yeah we're here there's

736
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,720
quite a few battles going on behind the

737
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:01,120
scenes between pentagon and congress and

738
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,039
things like that but hopefully

739
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,799
we come out on the right side of things

740
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,789
do you think we'll see i mean do you

741
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,039
have any hope hopes for 2022 and this is

742
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,720
purely like

743
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:14,400
speculative you don't have to say you

744
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,600
know i don't think stuff is going to

745
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:17,120
happen what would you like to see in him

746
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,240
what kind of

747
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,640
how would you like to see it played out

748
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:22,159
that's that's a difficult one because

749
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,600
what is it

750
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,760
yeah what we've been getting recently uh

751
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,440
that really brings credibility to the

752
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,840
the issue of europeans statements by

753
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,600
high-ranking government officials that's

754
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:33,360
what's given us the

755
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,480
uh

756
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,640
platform to get to where we are

757
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:38,159
so whether that continues and we get

758
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:39,279
more of that

759
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,720
possibility i think probably yeah the

760
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,880
what they don't seem to willingly want

761
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,559
to do like i said is

762
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:48,640
bring out longer versions of these

763
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,600
videos which would just do that if we

764
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,679
had those that be it it would look and

765
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,880
go oh

766
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:57,200
that's a pyramid very clearly as a

767
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:59,360
pyramid um all that's a disc very

768
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,559
clearly a disc

769
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,159
very interesting that

770
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,600
and i'd never picked up on this before i

771
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,440
watched ross colvard's in one of his

772
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,440
interviews recently

773
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:09,520
and apparently he'd been told that of

774
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,039
the 143 unidentifieds in that report

775
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:14,480
some of them all

776
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:19,430
and that's really pretty sure i've got

777
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,400
that right

778
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:22,400
so it was in one of his interviews that

779
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,919
is very it was slightly in there and i

780
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:25,520
was like no

781
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:26,799
is that quite right

782
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,600
now

783
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:29,200
i'm gonna have to go and double check

784
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:30,400
that but i'm pretty sure i heard that

785
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:31,200
right

786
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:33,279
yeah no i i can't recall i've seen so

787
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:34,000
yeah

788
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,760
that's really interesting

789
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:37,520
but i mean if that's true

790
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,120
i mean yeah

791
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,200
it just it would go short i mean

792
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:44,080
discs very 1940s 50s

793
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,360
then they seemed to have a bit of a

794
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,279
disappearance for a bit and what now

795
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:49,679
they're back

796
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,880
what what can i ask what's your opinion

797
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:53,840
on

798
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:56,720
origin

799
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,590
i've been through so many different

800
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,360
explanations and possibilities in my

801
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,279
mind in the past few years that

802
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:07,120
i almost feel like it's

803
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:08,799
it's gotten harder to answer those kind

804
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,830
we've got the origins of the objects

805
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,279
themselves but now we've the

806
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,960
conversation about the origins of the

807
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,399
phenomena and

808
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,880
the others or the non-human intelligence

809
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,039
that conversation has exploded into so

810
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,799
many more possibilities

811
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,960
that yeah i feel like there's way more

812
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,960
questions than answers so

813
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:30,880
i i'm very weary and cautious about

814
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:33,679
speculating you know i do think i do

815
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,399
think

816
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,960
and i'm happy to say in my opinion the

817
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,200
extraterrestrial hypothesis has jumped

818
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:41,120
right down the ladder for me

819
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,240
and yeah

820
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,240
you know can i ask when you first got

821
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:45,760
into this and you had that holy fudge

822
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,880
moment um was the et hypothesis right at

823
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:51,120
the top because it was for me

824
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,960
yeah quite naturally yeah

825
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,240
it was

826
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:55,840
extraterrestrial

827
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:58,000
biological entities

828
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,919
traveling through space

829
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:01,360
faster than the speed of light kind of

830
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,720
thing i yes that i was aware of

831
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,640
the possible dimensional travel thing

832
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,960
but it was not really talked about so

833
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,720
much you know so

834
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:12,320
yeah i think a lot of people come from

835
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,600
that background but the more you

836
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,279
research and

837
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,520
yeah it's it's it's not to me it's not

838
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,720
as likely as

839
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,480
dimensional and

840
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,640
ultra terrestrial or crypto-terrestrial

841
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,919
you know

842
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,240
it's crazy yeah what do you think about

843
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,080
ultra-terrestrial

844
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,480
that is the one which when i was writing

845
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,880
a bit from a book i came to that and the

846
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:34,880
only thought i had was the help put off

847
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:37,520
paper which i don't have access to i

848
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,679
know some people do and i really wanted

849
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,159
um but besides that

850
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,640
there is nothing much out there

851
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,640
i actually think there's a random

852
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,880
cool there's a random website the mid

853
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:50,080
reference to

854
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,520
i think it was like edward snowden and

855
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:53,120
ultra trust i can't even remember

856
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,559
exactly what it was but it's from like

857
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,080
years and years ago and that was the

858
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:58,000
only thing that i found it was complete

859
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,960
rubbish

860
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,480
um

861
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,720
besides i just i don't understand how

862
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,480
that concept works is that like all the

863
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:07,120
terrestrials who are in our 3d reality

864
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:08,799
or what hiding under the ocean they're

865
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:12,000
hiding uh in the earth or is that a case

866
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,279
of they are

867
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,200
part interdimensional so they're on

868
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:17,440
another plane but here as well which

869
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:19,039
classes them as ultraterrestrial what do

870
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,919
you think

871
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,919
well yeah i've seen and even recently

872
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,760
i've seen different explanations to what

873
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:26,159
the ultra-terrestrial actually means and

874
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:28,159
it seems to me like it's quite a vague

875
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,440
term covering a lot of different

876
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,080
possibilities within that term so it's

877
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,480
difficult to say it means this because

878
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,760
so many people have said different

879
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:38,000
things and so to me it's a bit confusing

880
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,279
because it does have a bit of the

881
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,440
inter-dimensional it does have a bit of

882
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,320
this this reality where they they may be

883
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:46,480
here we might not be able to see them

884
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,919
because you know they could be stood

885
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:50,640
face to face with you but outside of our

886
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:51,440
yeah

887
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:54,159
what we can see and and touch and smell

888
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:55,679
and taste and all that kind of stuff you

889
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:58,159
know everyone get the head around that

890
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:58,880
like

891
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,559
you can't sense them um but obviously

892
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:06,389
well this is the thing i think this is

893
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,200
why

894
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,520
science which we've wanted to be a part

895
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,360
of this subject for so long and now we

896
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,200
see them jumping on board slowly but

897
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,960
surely i think i think that's important

898
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:15,760
so

899
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,360
you see that

900
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,200
going with people at avilob and the

901
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,279
galileo project and other institutions

902
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,279
how does that make you feel

903
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:27,120
uh good i know

904
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:28,720
i've seen that they've had a lot of

905
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,279
criticism recently which is i can't

906
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,960
believe that it's really unbelievable

907
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,480
the fact that now we have mainstream

908
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,480
science coming on board and saying okay

909
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:38,159
we're going to take analytical

910
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,440
scientific approach to this we're going

911
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,960
to go through everything rigorously

912
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,200
we're going to be objective um we're not

913
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:44,960
going to be persuaded by bias that we

914
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:48,080
have in the past with towards ufos

915
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,760
and we have people criticizing them for

916
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,120
it and you're like okay

917
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,120
fair enough foxy can have your opinions

918
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,720
about the people that they have on board

919
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,880
and whatnot but each of those persons

920
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,120
that they've got has a unique experience

921
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,240
and background within ufology and all

922
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,600
the rest of it so

923
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:06,240
well i'm very i'm very encouraged by the

924
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,279
fact that

925
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:09,440
we now have real scientists looking at

926
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,519
this and that's where this needs to go

927
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,120
this needs to be taken right out of the

928
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,679
hands of ufologists so you guys and

929
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:18,320
given to mainstream signs

930
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:21,600
uh and by indication the public

931
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,840
yeah totally agree totally agree and

932
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,960
it's funny you mentioned the kind of

933
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,720
pushback that

934
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,559
they've been having recently even after

935
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:30,720
so many years of wanting them to take it

936
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,799
on and i think with the galileo project

937
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,320
in particular what i've noticed is that

938
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,320
people are really worried that

939
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,799
you know these are people that don't or

940
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,559
can't get on board with louis ondo and

941
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,159
chris mellon being a part of it and that

942
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,679
they feel that they're going to sway

943
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:45,120
avilobe and

944
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,559
stuff like that but i think what people

945
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,559
need to realize is they're just research

946
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:50,399
affiliates they don't have

947
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:52,159
pulling power within the organization

948
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,840
they just help out and

949
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,279
yeah i think that needs to become

950
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,200
clearer maybe for certain people i don't

951
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,559
know

952
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,600
it's a funny one isn't it it's it's not

953
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,200
people are oh yeah well counter intel

954
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,799
are involved now so

955
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:06,799
game over

956
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:09,279
no yeah it's just crazy yeah but then

957
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:10,399
you

958
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:13,919
because about 70 years of the apology

959
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,640
and

960
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,399
a certain persuasion on the government

961
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,080
and the government let's be fair haven't

962
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:20,559
really helped that situation with

963
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,360
transparency so you can kind of see why

964
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,320
people still have these deep rooted

965
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,480
issues towards anything that comes from

966
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,399
the government um and that i think

967
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:32,559
that's why you need a good education

968
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,679
program

969
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,039
from the government themselves to say

970
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,360
okay look this is how we've handled the

971
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:40,080
situation the ufo situation in the past

972
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:41,840
uh this is where we are now and this is

973
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,279
what we want to do they need to come out

974
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,279
and be transparent on that and it's the

975
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,279
only way forward because

976
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,919
for me this is only going to go one way

977
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,440
um so i don't know if they already have

978
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,880
these things in place where we already

979
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,200
have these programs to

980
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,120
to ensure that there's an indoctrination

981
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,360
period i i don't know if that was me and

982
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,799
i was in the government i'd be like oh

983
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,880
like joe what's it gonna be like in five

984
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,679
years

985
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,200
uh you could in theory have a lot of

986
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,480
people very angry with the government

987
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,919
because you've not really explained your

988
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,519
situation to them

989
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,760
and all they see is people

990
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,720
who are

991
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,880
angry ufologists angry conspiracy

992
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,559
theorists um

993
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,640
and that's gonna be people's persuasion

994
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,640
new people coming into the field

995
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:22,880
um so i think yeah they should really

996
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,440
have a strategy no absolutely and i

997
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,799
think another thing that could help that

998
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,880
is the mainstream media

999
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,399
really talking about it without the

1000
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,399
stigma and taboo and the x-files

1001
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:34,000
headlines and the click bait and all

1002
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:35,200
that

1003
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,640
i mean

1004
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:38,240
what was that yeah excuse me what was

1005
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,679
the recent one that came up with the

1006
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,679
x-files music it was fairly last few

1007
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:43,360
weeks and i can't think what it was i

1008
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:46,559
think it was nbc with gaddy schwartz

1009
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,360
yes

1010
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,600
and i like that

1011
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:52,000
he's a smart guy and he knows yeah i

1012
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,840
mean i've spoken to him over social

1013
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,919
media and he he's very much of the same

1014
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:58,159
mindset that we are he he believes that

1015
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,360
yes

1016
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:01,039
potentially without putting words in his

1017
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,559
mouth potentially there's all this other

1018
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,080
stuff going on but we really need to

1019
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,039
focus on uap ability counters we need to

1020
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:09,280
get the serious stuff in place

1021
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,639
um at least that's the impression i was

1022
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:12,320
getting to him when i was talking to him

1023
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,750
it didn't feel good when we saw that

1024
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,079
x-files music on a show with him as well

1025
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:22,159
it was just like oh my god

1026
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,599
it's it's a sort of thing do you know

1027
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,440
when you watch this morning with uh phil

1028
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,800
and fern i don't know phil and birds

1029
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,639
will do it but every single time that

1030
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,720
they have anything on ufos it's boom

1031
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:33,040
xbox music straight away

1032
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,200
generally with some nutcase who comes on

1033
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,879
yeah i've just had alien derby they're

1034
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,839
like

1035
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,240
sick yeah yeah it's too much i mean

1036
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,000
we've been quite

1037
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,720
last couple of years with a lot of i

1038
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,079
mean especially again i'm going to go

1039
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:48,000
back to the first six months of 2021

1040
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:49,119
there was

1041
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,800
out of mainstream media and okay not all

1042
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,800
of them were great but it was getting

1043
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,480
the conversation going

1044
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,800
it was everywhere ufos uap were

1045
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:02,320
everywhere and that was great and there

1046
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,280
wasn't

1047
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,040
um so much

1048
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,920
uh of the woo stuff it was sticking to

1049
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,599
what what was being dealt with at that

1050
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,280
time and that was great then we saw it

1051
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:12,960
all drop off

1052
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,640
now for me personally um yeah i mean

1053
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:18,160
especially in this country in the uk

1054
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:19,119
we've got

1055
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:23,280
the subject they're still i think

1056
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:25,200
finding their feet with it

1057
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:27,040
yeah um

1058
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:29,119
but my only thing is we've started off

1059
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,720
obviously in the tabloids we need to get

1060
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,240
to the the higher

1061
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,240
more respectable papers don't we

1062
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:35,680
absolutely i mean

1063
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:36,960
we've seen it personally ourselves

1064
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,520
something with uap media um

1065
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,440
no no disrespect to the tabloids i mean

1066
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,520
they're doing the best they can i think

1067
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:45,119
never thought i'd say this but the sun

1068
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,119
is actually doing a better job

1069
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:49,200
covering it than the rest of them

1070
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:50,160
and

1071
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,280
yeah the

1072
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:52,960
daily star there's been some horrific

1073
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,920
stories coming from there and very much

1074
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:57,760
uh yeah i won't go into them but but

1075
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:58,640
yeah

1076
00:36:02,310 --> 00:35:59,920
media

1077
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,320
that has done very well recently um in

1078
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:04,240
terms of getting more credible

1079
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,240
uh stories out there with uap um

1080
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:10,240
i think our aim is like you said it's to

1081
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,599
get

1082
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,599
broadsheets more credible purpose

1083
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,200
guardian bbc

1084
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:17,280
um people who really can make a

1085
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,880
difference within influential positions

1086
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,800
but it's a start i mean

1087
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,520
here to start what we've done it's good

1088
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:27,520
yeah we're on the we're on the ladder

1089
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,839
we are we are i think

1090
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,440
i think it'd be a good year to see some

1091
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:33,359
changes from that aspect personally

1092
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,480
that's what i

1093
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,000
that's the next step i'd like to see is

1094
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,560
the mainstream media just

1095
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,040
just stepping up a gear and doing

1096
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:42,720
better reporting speaking to the right

1097
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,920
people because we see a lot of

1098
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,680
these articles with comments and they've

1099
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,599
gone to the same old people

1100
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,240
the same old desk clerks i won't say

1101
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,000
yeah

1102
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,320
i think it's time for them to start

1103
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:57,760
doing a bit more

1104
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,320
work let's say and yeah finding more

1105
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,160
come and speak to us uap media we're

1106
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:04,079
happy to talk to people i that's what i

1107
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,040
wanna

1108
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:08,480
yeah i think i think that will happen

1109
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,440
this year

1110
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:11,680
but i do believe

1111
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,520
we will need that spark again um

1112
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,599
i don't know i don't know exactly what's

1113
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,119
coming uh i

1114
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,119
imagine something will be coming this

1115
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:23,040
year but we need that spark whether

1116
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,400
that's like you said earlier whether

1117
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,800
that's a high ranking official coming

1118
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:29,359
out or whether that's a

1119
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:30,400
video

1120
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,359
um

1121
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:32,640
or whether

1122
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:35,040
the there's another report coming this

1123
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:37,040
year is that right

1124
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:41,839
out of the u.s yeah so yeah i think the

1125
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:42,880
one sorry

1126
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:46,079
31st of october is the next

1127
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,599
one yeah so i mean in theory what

1128
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,680
we want probably want to do is build

1129
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,800
towards that

1130
00:37:55,750 --> 00:37:54,560
um regardless whatever else happens

1131
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,760
during the year

1132
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,079
um we want to build towards the october

1133
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,200
release in terms of activism

1134
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,800
and that's one thing with activism what

1135
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,280
we've noticed is we can't continuously

1136
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:07,280
go at it one day so we day after day

1137
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,800
after day week after week

1138
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:10,800
if we get worn out

1139
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,520
uh we do need that low period and

1140
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,440
so yeah um

1141
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,280
i'll probably work towards that see what

1142
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,119
happens

1143
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,200
yeah now with just sticking with you ap

1144
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,040
media i think it was only a couple of

1145
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:25,599
days ago a new letter template came out

1146
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,520
on our website where we can people can

1147
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,920
contact the local mps do you want do you

1148
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:32,400
want to just talk to how that actually

1149
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,760
makes a difference because i think a lot

1150
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,960
of people think well it's just a letter

1151
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:37,040
from one person how am i going to make a

1152
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:38,079
difference

1153
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:42,960
read the letters they may not always do

1154
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,520
anything about it but they do read

1155
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,119
i think creditor dave he's done a lot of

1156
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:49,280
hard work on that he's condensed a lot

1157
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,720
of the information got it down into a

1158
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:53,040
bite-sized uh

1159
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,920
letter

1160
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,920
um and i think

1161
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:57,359
it's

1162
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:01,839
coming in 2022 where we can really push

1163
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,560
forward get that letter out to

1164
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,640
uh mps get out to journalists and media

1165
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,079
organizations

1166
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,400
um and then say look this

1167
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,560
this needs transparency from our

1168
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,720
government um this is what's happening

1169
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,720
in america it's credible it's happening

1170
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,079
there it is there's the evidence you can

1171
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,720
go look at it uh and then we want you to

1172
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,200
address this like what happened with

1173
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,520
i'll get the mps name um

1174
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,200
after the

1175
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:29,839
tf reports came out

1176
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,320
said lord

1177
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,240
i can't remember

1178
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:36,160
but yeah the question was asked in

1179
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,280
parliament

1180
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,800
and we got very

1181
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,440
negative answer unfortunately but

1182
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:42,960
but the good thing is the question was

1183
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,839
asked

1184
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,079
yeah and that in itself is a second

1185
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,480
point and because the next time

1186
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,480
the next report comes out or something

1187
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,640
else might be coming which

1188
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,560
may put pressure again the question gets

1189
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:56,240
asked asked again and then they remember

1190
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:57,440
that the question was asked last time

1191
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,560
they go oh

1192
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,160
so maybe this time we're gonna have to

1193
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:01,680
up our game

1194
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:02,480
yeah

1195
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:08,309
high hopes that the british

1196
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:09,839
government might

1197
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,440
be on the way to doing something um

1198
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,680
all those things potentially pipeline

1199
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:17,520
love going into details

1200
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:20,079
um but yeah i think this could be a good

1201
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:21,440
year

1202
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,440
for uap media to really push forward

1203
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,880
into mps and

1204
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,920
media

1205
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:28,079
yeah so we just need to just need to get

1206
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:29,200
on to it

1207
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,880
that's it and anybody in the uk that is

1208
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:32,160
watching this

1209
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:35,200
go and check out uap media dot uk if you

1210
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,400
want to help

1211
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,480
help the activism send a letter to your

1212
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:41,359
local mp all links will be below this

1213
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:42,800
video in the description for all the

1214
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,240
information on things we've talked about

1215
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,880
as well today um and one thing before

1216
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,240
you go is i'd like to talk about because

1217
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,480
you actually wrote a book uh last year

1218
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:52,160
what was that the year before last year

1219
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,160
yeah yeah

1220
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,760
yeah tell us how did that come about i'm

1221
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,560
just gonna grab a copy to show everyone

1222
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,800
yeah yeah so

1223
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:02,079
i mean

1224
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,470
there we go

1225
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,440
oh lovely yeah so it's crazy because i

1226
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,440
start i've never written anything really

1227
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:15,359
before until i started waiting for

1228
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:18,880
european info then you know unidentified

1229
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,520
uh then with uap media i've really

1230
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:23,200
honed down my writing skills i've like

1231
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:24,400
tried to be more professional i've been

1232
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:26,319
trying to like quote think and source

1233
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,640
things professionally as best i can i

1234
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,079
mean

1235
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:32,640
the idea like i said earlier was to go

1236
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:35,920
through in 2018 and research uap as best

1237
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,880
i can um and by the end of the book come

1238
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,520
up with a conclusion if i could as to

1239
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,240
what uap potentially might be

1240
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,520
like i said

1241
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,240
couldn't do that it's too complex um i

1242
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,839
narrowed it down to

1243
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,200
top my head

1244
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:52,800
uh et

1245
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:53,520
uh

1246
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:57,680
dimensional

1247
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:00,720
uh mv multiverse your multiverse which

1248
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,839
is different to interdimensional

1249
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,040
i don't feel like i should explain that

1250
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,280
so interdimensional uh you've got

1251
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,040
various dimensions powering string

1252
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,200
theory in that which go from ours which

1253
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:13,200
is a 3d reality up to i think it's 10 or

1254
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:14,640
11 so you can have all these different

1255
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,680
dimensions

1256
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,119
multiverse when i brought about and

1257
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,440
considered that it's within our own

1258
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,400
reality so it's 3d dimension

1259
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,800
and but different variations of this

1260
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,920
dimension

1261
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:27,599
uh if that makes sense whereas

1262
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:29,119
interdimensional you get up to like i

1263
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,200
don't know 8 9 10 it could be something

1264
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,880
we can't even comprehend it could be

1265
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,480
something without words because

1266
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:36,000
something so far

1267
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,520
beyond us that we can't yeah they can't

1268
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,720
even comprehend it so that was

1269
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:40,720
interdimensional that was multiverse and

1270
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:42,839
then the other one i looked at was

1271
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,480
consciousness uh and quantum physics so

1272
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,920
quantum consciousness and that sort of

1273
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,359
thing and all those

1274
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,920
extreme theories yeah again i just say

1275
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,680
that there are only theories i i don't

1276
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,200
subscribe to them i'm just yeah i just

1277
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,440
put them down then but what i thought

1278
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,200
yeah but they are all the theories that

1279
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,960
are on the table for many people so i

1280
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,440
think that's a good thing and i think um

1281
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,800
one thing obviously it says on the front

1282
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,640
of the book a beginner's journey into

1283
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,079
ufos

1284
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,560
do you feel that this is aimed go on

1285
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,319
sorry can i just clarify that somebody

1286
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,160
pointed out after i published it and

1287
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,119
said oh so is that a beginner's guide to

1288
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,920
uh you or is that anyone that's like no

1289
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,079
that was me so i've written it journeys

1290
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,400
i'm the journey into ufos it's about my

1291
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,160
journey into ufc and i should have been

1292
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,119
a bit more clear with that

1293
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,720
no no i think that's cool that's good to

1294
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:33,359
clarify but yeah and but now you're

1295
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,720
actually in the process of writing a

1296
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:36,319
follow-up can you tell us much about

1297
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:37,200
that

1298
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:41,839
first book in the series unidentified

1299
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,800
anomalous phenomena um

1300
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,760
the second book is going to be

1301
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,440
unidentified and on this phenomena but

1302
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,760
the title is going to be those who

1303
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,319
change the world

1304
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:54,400
which refers to uh all the people

1305
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,839
involved over the last four or five

1306
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:58,319
years who've got got us to this point

1307
00:44:00,950 --> 00:44:00,000
um so you look at intelligence community

1308
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:00,960
you're looking at congress you're

1309
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:03,599
looking at senators congressmen

1310
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,640
navy pilots the military um

1311
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,400
journalists media organizations

1312
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,560
everybody researchers activists all the

1313
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,720
people who've got us to this point uh

1314
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:13,839
it's

1315
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,760
they've done over the last four years

1316
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:20,480
their contribution um because at the end

1317
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,520
of the day

1318
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,960
when people look back at this part of

1319
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,240
history

1320
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,960
they deserve to know like what harry

1321
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,960
reid done generally i know it will be

1322
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,240
documented but

1323
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,240
what marco rubio has done and said you

1324
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,720
know he was an important part in 201

1325
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:37,040
2020 marco rubio came out with his

1326
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:38,480
statements

1327
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,599
um

1328
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,480
he was a big part in 2020 to getting the

1329
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,280
the report up and running sure i mean so

1330
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,880
i just feel it's important to let people

1331
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,119
know like some dogs he he's going to be

1332
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:50,960
remembered forever because of what he's

1333
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,680
done

1334
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,599
um but then you have people like gary

1335
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,520
nolan who was a big part of it in the

1336
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,200
early years um

1337
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,599
jacksonville people like him i

1338
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,720
take me i just go through all of them

1339
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:02,319
but you know what i mean it's it's very

1340
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,520
much like

1341
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,800
pointing to those people saying look

1342
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,160
these people have

1343
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:08,160
been part of it without them well the

1344
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,760
combined effort the united efforts

1345
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,720
behind this european initiative um

1346
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,680
who knows where we would have got

1347
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,880
without them

1348
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,880
yeah that's awesome so when's that like

1349
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,480
you've got like a release or an aim for

1350
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:20,240
when you want that one out

1351
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,960
uh it's gonna be lit late this year just

1352
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,319
because

1353
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,680
about halfway through but it just takes

1354
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:27,599
so long references and everything yeah

1355
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:29,599
and i've got uni

1356
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,950
always happens at the same time and

1357
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:37,839
yeah

1358
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,680
well listen man thank you so much for

1359
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,440
doing this i really appreciate it's been

1360
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:43,119
a great conversation

1361
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:44,640
i'm honored that i'm kind of the first

1362
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,160
person that you've spoken to on one of

1363
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,280
these as well so that means a lot to us

1364
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,800
oh well there you go i get that

1365
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:52,240
exclusive

1366
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,520
yeah i mean

1367
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:54,960
i just this isn't

1368
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:57,520
being honest this isn't my world at all

1369
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,359
and i see the people who you interviewed

1370
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,960
you know i mean you're so professional

1371
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,800
and that's all professionally like

1372
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:05,280
oh gosh that's not me at all i'm just

1373
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:08,079
not like that i i'm so much better at

1374
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,440
being behind the scenes and writing

1375
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,920
stuff that that's who i am yeah i mean

1376
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,359
i'm not ruling anything out in the

1377
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,440
future but might be once a year type

1378
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,359
thing is that all right awesome of

1379
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,760
course man absolutely i mean everyone

1380
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,359
plays an important role and you know

1381
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,119
you're all doing all the writing and the

1382
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,440
articles and the activism is

1383
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,319
i couldn't do that so you know i guess

1384
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,079
we all have our little parts somewhere

1385
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,160
and you know along the lines so no

1386
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,400
that's great well listen i'll i won't

1387
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:36,560
keep you any longer and to everybody

1388
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,480
listening watching i forgot to say at

1389
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:39,760
the start that

1390
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,160
thank you to everyone on youtube and on

1391
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,240
spotify apple anywhere that you listen

1392
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,400
to the anomalous podcast network thank

1393
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,079
you all so much